SURREY MENS
SUPER LEAGUE AGM 2006/2007
MINUTES OF MEETING HELD ON SUNDAY 6th AUGUST 2006 AT WORCESTER PARK
ATHLETIC CLUB
Meeting Commenced: 6:05pm
1 Roll Call
At Roll Call, 12 teams that contested last year’s League were
represented. These being:
Ditton FC, Esher War Memorial Club, Freeholders, Jubilee Club, Metropole,
North End Tavern, The Princess, Salfords, St Peters, Worcester Park
Athletic, Walton Working Mens Club, Walton Working Mens Club B.
Fairlands Club of Guildford arrived later in the meeting.
Apologies for absence were expressed by Martin Cullip for the Golden
Lion A as Aline Cook was called to a BDO Executive meeting at short
notice.
Persons present: Tim Stedman (Chairman), Martin Cullip (Secretary),
Carl Ramsey, Debbie Ramsey, Steve Hayes, Phil Gallagher, Sam Shephard,
Richard McLaughlin, Paul Humphreys, Simon Miles, Andy Nye, Vince
Harmes, Alan Warner, Bob Howe, Dean Archer, Chris Gallagher, (Trevor
Drakeley, Terry Davies).
2 Approval of Minutes
Jim Cullip Proposed that the minutes from last season be approved,
Tim Stedman seconded the motion.
3 Secretary’s Report
The League Secretary stated that the 2005/6 season had been a success
with very little problems apart from the much-publicised one arising
from the acrimonious fixture cancellation between Ditton FC &
the North End Tavern.
Martin stated that the Super League web-site had been a huge success
and had cut down on a lot of administration as teams and players
had become accustomed to being notified of developments via the
site. He also stated that he was very pleased with the success of
the laptop result sheets which have enabled so many teams to e-mail
their results so quickly.
It was noted that the payout for this year’s league was another
record with nearly £6,000 paid out on Finals Night. Martin
also pointed out that the League’s First Prize was now bigger
than that offered for the winner of the Champions Cup for which
the league winners qualify.
Martin told the meeting that he hoped that ‘Toe The Oche’
would remain as comprehensive as it has been, but could not rule
out the possibility of match write-ups being replaced with something
else. Time constraints on the League Secretary were quoted as particular
problems. It was hoped that any reduction in quality would be replaced
by other features that would take less time to collate.
Martin wished all participants good luck for the coming season.
4 PDPA Players
The League Secretary explained the inclusion of this item as a precaution
owing to the fact that the BDO had a meeting the same day that could
have resulted in PDPA registered players being excluded from Super
League. Martin read the proposal, tabled by Pembrokeshire, to the
meeting.
Fortunately, earlier in the day the proposal had been voted down
by the BDO Executive by 35 votes to 22 with 3 abstentions, therefore
no further discussion was required on the matter.
5 2006/7 League Teams
See Agenda Item 6.
6 League Structure
The League Secretary informed the meeting that there had been approaches
from three new teams prior to the meeting which is why there were
two agenda items dedicated to deciding the teams to participate
& the structure of the league. Considering that there were twelve
teams present, with apologies offered for another & a fourteenth
team that it was certain would wish to enter, it seemed efficient
to tackle both items at the same time.
Martin noted that Andy Nye had asked that the possibility of ‘zoning’
the League be explored. Andy explained that his side had suffered
by the long travel requirements and resultant late nights as his
team consisted of players that would have to get up extremely early
the next day. Additionally, the long season required from the inclusion
of so many teams meant that he had problems with personnel at the
start and the end of the season as they had local league commitments
particular to his area. He suggested a zonal system that would solve
both these problems.
The problems inherent in this system in the past were discussed
& while the meeting recognised the problems that Andy faces,
and fully sympathised with those problems, the general consensus
was to keep the same format as the previous year.
The issue was put to a vote, whereby the idea of zoning was defeated
by 11 votes to 1, the Freeholders being the sole objection.
7 Changes to League Rules
The League Secretary stated that there were a few grievances that
had been expressed to him throughout the year which needed to be
resolved. As such, these matters had been added to the agenda for
general discussion.
i) The first concern related to individual league appearances.
Many had commented in the previous year that a certain player had
only played a couple of games yet was able to enter, and win, the
League Singles Title. Martin emphasised that the player in question
had done nothing wrong whatsoever & had complied fully with
league rules but felt the matter had to be discussed as numerous
players were uneasy with the situation and had expressed that view.
The matter was discussed at length and the meeting felt that a rule
should be brought in to ensure players played an adequate amount
of matches. Richard McLaughlin pointed out that reserves would be
unduly penalised by this action & it was decided that any new
rule would recognise attendance rather than merely playing.
It was unanimously agreed that a new rule be introduced whereby
a player will only be eligible for Competitions if they were “Present
& Available to Play” for 6 matches or more during the
season.
Discussion ensued as to how to qualify attendance & it was felt
that the best recourse would be that all reserves be noted on result
sheets or laptop programs and that it was up to the opposing team
secretaries to raise concerns should they feel that the system was
being abused.
ii) Rule 4e & 4f relating to postponed or cancelled matches
was discussed as the debacle involving Ditton FC & North End
Tavern could have been avoided with better rules.
It was accepted that the rules as they stand were not sufficient
as they only dealt with the result of such problems and not with
the cause. It was proposed that a new rule be entered to clarify
the correct avenues by which to proceed if one were to cancel a
match.
It was unanimously agreed that the rule should recognise that a
match will not be deemed cancelled unless a team secretary had contacted
the team secretary of the opposing side, casual talk between players
of either team would not constitute a postponement or cancellation.
It was recognised that any team secretary could object to a match
being postponed or cancelled and any grievances should be directed
to the League Secretary.
iii) Rule 5f regarding Super League teams being fined for
non-attendance at SDO Council meetings was discussed. The
Super League had tabled an amendment of the County Constitution
the previous year which had been carried with amendments, which
meant that this rule could now be amended to correspond with the
updated Constitution ruling.
The League Secretary added that the amended Constitution ruling,
by which the Super League must abide, had insisted on a £25
fine for teams that had not attended the County AGM. The Super League
rule would be bound to reflect that in future & the 4 teams
that were not present at the County AGM would be invoiced £25
each by the County.
iv) The League Secretary suggested that the Competition
entry fees might be raised as there had been no such rise
in the 6 years in which he had been involved. It was noted that
in the meantime, County Qualification entries for such as the Masters,
Gold Cup etc. had risen to £5 per player without any corresponding
increase in Super League fees. The matter was left to the floor
who agreed readily that an increase was in order & that in the
coming season, the entry fees would be £9 per triple, £6
per pair & £5 per single.
8 Any Other Business
Just before Any Other Business was announced, two representatives
of the Fairlands Club in Guildford arrived after experiencing extreme
problems finding the venue. Having been one of the expected three
new teams (Fairlands had e-mailed their interest as far back as
March), this caused problems for the meeting as they had staked
a valid claim to a place and were present where others were not.
Much discussion ensued as to how to accommodate the new team as
it would mean an increase from 14 to 15 teams with a resultant increase
in weeks from 26 to 30 taking into account the byes involved.
The League Secretary stated that there was very little room for
fitting in extra matches, with 14 being difficult already. A large
proportion of the meeting were of the opinion that one of the teams
not present should forfeit their place to the new team as they were
present at the meeting whilst two others weren’t.
It was pointed out by Martin Cullip that the Golden Lion A representative
had been unable to attend as she was representing Surrey at the
BDO Executive meeting in the Midlands and had offered apologies
but had stated that another member of the team would attend. He
also mentioned that the Lion A had asked that the date of the Super
League meeting be changed again to avoid the clash of dates in the
first place. Martin also informed the meeting that the Golden Lion
Secretary was unable to attend as he was on holiday. Some members
mentioned that the web-site had stated that “if you wish to
enter a team, it is highly advisable to send a representative to
the meeting” and suggested that there were many others that
could have attended on behalf of any team. Martin acknowledged that
the wording on the site was as such but said that, whereas the previous
year it was stated categorically that if a team wasn’t represented
at the AGM, they wouldn’t be admitted, the same wasn’t
true this year. It was suggested by many that the same was implied
in this year’s web-site announcement but Martin argued that
although that may have been implied, it wasn’t categorically
stated, wasn’t a rule & couldn’t be enforced with
any fairness. Chris Gallagher added that the exclusion of a team
for the whole of the Super League was a very harsh punishment for
non-attendance at the AGM.
Tim Stedman expressed the view that he would be uncomfortable with
the exclusion of the Golden Lion as they had been involved for many
years. He asked the floor if there was a way in which all teams
could be accommodated.
Many suggested that the extra weeks could be gained by allowing
NO postponements at all, coupled with moving the competitions either
to a Sunday, or by using two separate venues for the singles. Paul
Humphreys suggested that the summer league be reduced to accommodate
the winter league. The League Secretary stated that this would mean
that the summer league would have to reduce by two teams. Many were
of the opinion that the winter league was of more importance and
that this could be achievable. Martin said that this would probably
have to be passed through the County Executive as the summer league
also required registration with the BDO and as such was probably
regulated by the County.
The Secretary asked Chris Gallagher if his team would be adversely
affected by a local rival & he replied that he was aware that
players would be moving from his side to the new team but that he
had adequately replaced them. He did state though that he was of
the opinion that, in his previous experience, two teams in Guildford
would not be viable.
After nearly an hour of discussion, it was agreed that the League
Secretary would look at ways of incorporating 15 teams into the
league that would fit into current boundaries dictated by the needs
of the summer league. If it was impossible to do so, the new team
would, unfortunately and with regret, have to be excluded.
Following this, it was evident that a new rule was required to stipulate
that teams must be represented at the Super League AGM as preference
for entry to the league would be with those that attend. The recent
popularity of the league dictated that this was a measure that needed
to be taken immediately. The rule was unanimously agreed.
Once this contentious issue had been dealt with, matters turned
to other business.
Carl Ramsey had mentioned during an earlier item that his team wished
the rule for awarding points for non-attendance be changed from
a statutory 10 (rule 4f) to an average of previous matches. Discussion
ensued as to the inequities of such a rule & that in any case,
if it came to such a drastic measure, the 10 point penalty would
be deserved. The League Secretary noted the concerns of Carl’s
side, but pointed out that the new rule regarding match cancellations
(See 7 i) above) should negate the same unfortunate incident happening
again. The meeting agreed to preserve the existing rule.
Martin Cullip then raised the question of the £10 donation
to the Youth team that had been customary in the previous two seasons.
This had been levied initially in 2004 to help fund the youth sides
and was kept in 2005 despite there not subsequently being a youth
side arranged. The money last year had been instead added to the
Super League prize fund. Martin notified the meeting that a youth
side was being gathered for the coming season & asked if the
floor was happy with the £10 per team levy staying. The meeting
agreed that this extra cost was to remain again this year.
No further business was offered by those present, at which point
Tim Stedman proposed that the League Secretary be offered a bigger
honorarium for running the league. He stated that the prize money
had advanced dramatically since the Secretary’s taking over
& that, in his opinion, the work involved had led to the league
being one of the most lucrative in the country. A suggestion from
the floor that the £200 stated in the League rules be increased
to £400 was passed without objection.
Just before the meeting ended, Martin Cullip asked that it be approved
that instead of paying out all of the money at the end of the season,
a float of £100 be kept back for potential mistakes after
the league had finished. This had been discussed previously between
the Secretary & the Chairman but required the agreement of the
floor. There were no objections.
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