SURREY MENS
SUPER LEAGUE AGM 2005/2006
MINUTES OF MEETING HELD ON SUNDAY 31st JULY 2005 AT THE MORDEN TAVERN
Meeting Commenced: 7:15pm
1 Roll Call
14 teams that will be contesting this year’s League were represented.
These being:
Ditton FC, Esher War Memorial Club, Freeholders, Golden Lion, Golden
Lion A, Jubilee Club, Metropole, North End Tavern, The Princess,
Salfords, St Peters, Worcester Park Athletic, Walton Working Mens
Club, Walton Working Mens Club B
Persons present: Martin Cullip, Tim Stedman, Jim Cullip, Gary Creamer,
John Parr, Sam Shephard, Peter Arnold, Chris Arnold, Aline Cook,
Steve Hayes, Claire Heron, Richard McLaughlin, Dave Askew, Mike
Vagg, Chris Gallagher, Dean Archer, Andy Nye, Kevin Dean, Paul Humphreys,
Bill Kennedy, Phil Gallagher, Bob Howe, Alan Warner, Steve Cogger.
2 Approval of Minutes
Jim Cullip Proposed that the minutes from last season be approved,
Bill Kennedy seconded the motion.
3 Secretary’s Report
The League Secretary stated that the 2004/5 season had been a success
but had also been a very difficult year. He extended his thanks
to Tim Stedman for the help & advice that had been afforded
toward the difficulties that the League had faced.
Martin congratulated Walton Working Mens Club on regaining their
League Title, and wished them luck in their Champions Cup campaign
that is to begin on 14th August 2005. It was also explained to those
present that there had been a Joint Runners-up prize this year,
which had been decided at a meeting before Finals Night. The League
secretary accepted that the solution wasn’t fully welcomed
by either Ditton or the Golden Lion, but an agreement had been reached
that he hoped was the fairest solution to an insoluble problem.
Martin congratulated Dave Askew for winning both the pairs &
singles & narrowly missing out on the triples, as well as leading
the League averages.
It was noted that February saw the sad news of the death of Mark
Gawley, who played 130 matches for Surrey & who was a great
friend of the League. Following this, a new trophy, the “Mark
Gawley Memorial Trophy” had been purchased & paid for
via a raffle at Finals night. It is hoped that a new trophy may
be added each year by the same means so that each competition will
benefit from a perpetual prize.
Late result sheets were on the decrease since it is now possible
to fax, post, e-mail or scan these to the Secretary. A new computer
program has been developed for laptops & the Secretary hoped
that more teams could use this method, which means sheets can be
e-mailed as soon as the match has finished.
It was noted that the re-write of rules as promised in last year’s
minutes, had now been completed & would be discussed during
this year’s meeting. The rules had also been published on
the web-site.
Martin stated that the web-site had been a huge success, taking
on average, 700 to 800 individual user visits per month as opposed
to 140 in the first month of January 2004. The County, Youth, Ladies
& Summer statistics were now on the site, but the site was primarily
a Super League site & the Secretary expressed pride that such
benefits could arise from a Super League initiative.
Martin wished all participants good luck for the coming season &
expressed a hope that there would be fewer problems this year!
4 Changes to Super League Rules
The League Secretary reported that a re-write of the rules had taken
place to ensure they were clear & more navigable. He stressed
that NO rule had been changed apart from cosmetic improvements such
as correction of grammar. There were four rules that required discussion,
but no objection was raised to the other changes made.
Aline Cook asked for clarification that rule 1b (of the pre-amended
rules) didn’t involve a change in rules relating to the amount
of outside County players that would be allowed. Martin Cullip confirmed
that there was no change planned for that rule.
Rule 1b (now rule 3b): The Secretary suggested that this rule should
mention the need for players to be signed on to cope with the requirements
of the Champions Cup. This would also align the rule to the one
that states as such in the County Constitution. It was agreed that
the rule be amended to specifically state this requirement.
Rule 2f (now rule 5f): The Secretary suggested that this rule was
now redundant & would need to be removed, but that it was a
County Constitution rule & had to be removed at County level
first. A proposal had been placed on the agenda for the upcoming
County AGM, and it needed to be approved by the Super League AGM.
The proposal was approved. Aline Cook pointed out that this would
indeed remove the County Constitution rule, but that the rule couldn’t
formally be removed from the Super League rules until next year’s
Super League AGM.
Rule 5e (now rule 2e): Martin Cullip wished for clarification of
this rule as it stated that under strength pairs matches would incur
a forfeit, whereas it seemed that games had been played with just
one player against two. A lot of discussion ensued as to whether
the point should be played or whether it should be forfeit &
the game played purely for ton points & game shots. The discussion
moved to a vote & it was passed that the rule be changed &
that in such circumstances the pair should be played as a normal
point. The vote was carried 13-1 with the Golden Lion A objecting.
Therefore an amendment to the rules will state that if the occasion
arises that a pair must be played with one player from one team
playing two players from the other, the point will not be forfeit
& will be played in the usual manner.
Rule regarding Pairs substitutions (competitions): There seemed
to be a conflict in the rule about substitutions for Competition
Pairs. It was agreed that the rules would reflect the fact that
substitutes would be allowed in the pairs if the player concerned
was registered & hadn’t played in the competition before.
A proviso was suggested by Tim Stedman that the substitute player
MUST come from the team for which the available player plays. It
was recognised that pairs consisting of players from different teams
were allowed, but it would be open to abuse if players from other
teams could be drafted in as a substitute.
5 2005/6 League Teams
As 14 teams were represented at the meeting, The League Secretary
stated that it was possible for that many teams to be accommodated,
but that postponements could be impossible. After much discussion,
it was agreed that the Secretary would try to fit in one or two
free weeks for postponements, but that it could not be guaranteed.
There was much discussion on whether a match could be played on
3rd January. As a result, discussion forced a vote on whether 14
teams should be allowed to enter. The motion was carried 13-1 with
St Peters objecting.
6 Punishments & Deductions
Following the problems encountered in the 2004/5 season with points
deductions for transgressions of the Rules, the League Secretary
suggested that the rules should include specific punishments for
certain situations. Martin Cullip worried that teams may take the
line that Ditton had done & claim that as there was no stated
punishment, there should be no penalty. It was agreed that something
needed to be added, but many feared that too many specific measures
& regulations would make the rules unworkable. It was agreed
unanimously that a new rule be added to state that punishments be
up to the discretion of the Committee on a case by case basis.
7 Postponements
This was passed over as the issue had been discussed previously
when deciding the teams to be included in the upcoming season.
8 Practice Boards
The League Secretary had noted through the season that many players
had asked that the requirement for a second (practice) board be
required under the rules. Most teams already had this facility,
but it was proposed that this be made a rule. Not only did it help
players remain fresh if they were drawn late in the evening, but
it would also help matches to finish on time. The three new teams
were consulted (Esher WMC, North End Tavern & Freeholders) &
they all stated that this could be accommodated. Salfords advised
that they didn’t currently have such arrangements in place
but assured the meeting that this could be implemented for the coming
season. It was agreed that a rule be added to make a second board
mandatory.
OTHER BUSINESS
Aline Cook wished to congratulate the League Secretary on the web-site
& expressed her appreciation for the new format. Tim Stedman
echoed this sentiment & those present agreed.
The issue of the £10 donation to the County youth side was
discussed & it was stated that at the time of the meeting, it
seemed that there would be no Youth side this year. The meeting
agreed that the £10 per team donation would still be levied
& would be passed to the Youth team if one was agreed at the
County AGM. If the Youth team doesn’t materialise, the extra
£140 would be utilised to the benefit of the League instead.
Tim Stedman asked the indulgence of the respective teams that matches
should start on time & that the players should be ready to play
as soon as they are scheduled. It was noted that with the requirement
for a practice board, problems related to players not being ready
to play should be kept to a minimum & that it was in most participants’
interests to finish the match at a reasonable time.
Kevin Dean asked that the criteria for 2 ton points be reduced from
140 to 133 to recognise the fact that some players may use cover
shots that are equally as valuable as scoring 140. It was noted
that the qualifying level for 3 points was not 180, but 170. A short
discussion took place, but Steve Hayes objected strongly & Kevin
Dean withdrew his proposal.
Finally, the Metropole were asked about their intentions for the
first three matches of the season as it has become customary for
their club to be unavailable owing to Local League commitments.
Paul Humphreys asked that they be given 3 away matches at the start
of the season, but agreed that an alternative venue could be used
for one of those matches should it be impossible to accommodate
his request.
The meeting was advised that the proposed starting date for the
League would be 6th September. Those present were thanked for their
attendance & invited to pay their registrations for the coming
season.
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